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    Subliminal5oh2

    At this time to my knowledge there are no intentions to change the formatting of the punctuation system.

    Please keep in mind I do not work for SwiftKey, so I can't speak for them. But in my experiences with the conversations based on punctuation in the past -- mostly the auto space for the : and ; for the purposes of making smileys easier to type -- it doesn't look like it's going to change.

    My work around for the _ is to click space twice before typing it if I need a space. Just like the - it only takes a moment once you get used to it. Give it a try and hopefully it will become habitually second nature!

    Welcome to the forums and thanks for the feedback Wintersdark! Please feel free to post on one of the many other discussions around here as well, it's always good to see newer members!

    Mike

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    I've been bugging Swiftkey about this off and on for years.  They claim it's not possible to turn off auto spacing.  I call BS.

    All I'm asking for is Swiftkey to insert a space only when I begin typing a new word, not as soon as I end a word.  I also don't want the keyboard to add a space after a period unless I'm typing a new word.  I get tired of deleting so many spaces that Swiftkey incorrectly assumes I want inserted.  Other keyboards, like Google's, do this correctly.  I'm betting Swiftkey is afraid to try it because they can't figure out how not to copy the code Google uses.  Try harder, Swiftkey!

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    I thought Google's code was open source. Therefore, anyone can copy away.

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    I've been bugging Swiftkey about this off and on for years. They claim it's not possible to turn off auto spacing. I call BS.

    All I'm asking for is Swiftkey to insert a space only when I begin typing a new word, not as soon as I end a word. I also don't want the keyboard to add a space after a period unless I'm typing a new word. I get tired of deleting so many spaces that Swiftkey incorrectly assumes I want inserted. Other keyboards, like Google's, do this correctly. I'm betting Swiftkey is afraid to try it because they can't figure out how not to copy the code Google uses. Try harder, Swiftkey!

    It's about creating a better keyboard than Google. I personally love the space, it helps me from having to hit the space bar in between every word as well as allows the finished prediction to be pulled away from the continued text.

    SwiftKey isn't interested in being the same they are interested in creating a quality experience that improves their customers conversational speed.

    I thought Google's code was open source. Therefore, anyone can copy away.

    This is and isn't true. Google keeps some things proprietary, however their Android code is absolutely open-source.

    Kindest regards,

    Mike

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    Yes and no. The Google keyboard contains some proprietary code (e.g., gesturing/swiping). However the majority of the code (including the logic for spaces after : or 😉

    This is and isn't true. Google keeps some things proprietary, however their Android code is absolutely open-source.

    Kindest regards,

    Mike

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    Indeed, however the developers of this application aren't interested in copying someone else's work, they mold it to their idea of the product they want to release. Not to say or voices don't matter because they do. I have just found that after the 4 conversations I've been a part of dealing with this topic there are no inclinations from anyone at SwiftKey whom show interest in changing this particular functionality.

    While I cannot speak for them, I will say that id history is anything to go by, it isn't going to change.

    If it ever does change, it will be because the developers at SwiftKey will have designed an original code for it. Cause that's just how they roll lol.

    Nevertheless thanks for the input, I always love discussions on these forums!

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    If they wish to improve their product, I would say this is an easy fix. Especially since many other keyboard apps use similar logic code.

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    It's all subjective. I personally have no issues with the way : and ; are implemented.

    I don't use them enough to notice, and it wouldn't be an improvement in my eyes to change a functionality I'm accustomed to. But again to each their own.

    I like SwiftKey being groundbreaking technology, not just another copycat. It's why I invest so much time here in these forums, because it's an original product. One to be copied, not to do the copying. I would assume that SwiftKey developers aren't interested in easy fixes, nor ones that force them to use someone else's hard work.

    Besides my understanding of the conversations in the past on the punctuation spacing, is that it works for the majority and stay within the idea of what SwiftKey (as a consumer product) wants to be.

    Some consider SwiftKey classified as a productivity application, I consider it an ease to communication on devices built for communication. Not a database or list maker, but a communication optimizer. Which means I'm able to make a smiley emoticon ☺ with the quick tap of 2 buttons. No space or delete or anything. And thats just better in my opinion.

    This discussion points out the conundrum between features in an application so widely used. It's impossible to please everyone, so SwiftKey continues to create a product that the company has in mind, with feedback from a community of vastly differing opinions.

    And they do a great job in my humble opinion!

    Aside from the punctuation usage, this OP brings up quite a few other great points.

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    SwiftKey insists and very aggressively putting spaces after - and removing spaces before _.

    _ in particular really frustrates me.

    I for one LOVE the fact that SwiftKey omits spaces with _, since I use that a lot as a separator between words and do not want any spaces.  The best thing would be if the options could permit user-specified use of spacing with each punctuation mark, but I don't know how difficult that would be to implement.

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    "Not just another copycat"?? How is their "gesturing" not something from another app? While they didn't copy the code, it's the concept isn't their brainchild. There are many features in their product that where introduced in other apps. Who's talking about "easy fixes"? The wheel has been invented, use it and spend the saved energy on inventing something new.

    Somewhat confused.... how does code that recognizes the context for a space or no space based on whether a colon is followed by ")" vs. "a-z" change making a smiley more than 2 taps. I for one (and there are others) would like to use colons and semi-colons as regular punctuation when trying to "communicate" without the need for the extra step of adding a space. There are many users that use SwiftKey for other things than communicating with emoticons. Just look at all of the posts here, 99.9% of them have no emoticons. Again, a code change to accommodate both uses of the :& without extra taps for most cases harms whom?

    Oh, by the way, I also participate in this forum in support of making SwiftKey a premium app. New users to the product w/o have used apps that logically add or remove spaces after the : or ; are frustrated when SwiftKey doesn't follow "convention".

    I like SwiftKey being groundbreaking technology, not just another copycat. It's why I invest so much time here in these forums, because it's an original product. One to be copied, not to do the copying. I would assume that SwiftKey developers aren't interested in easy fixes, nor ones that force them to use someone else's hard work.

    Besides my understanding of the conversations in the past on the punctuation spacing, is that it works for the majority and stay within the idea of what SwiftKey (as a consumer product) wants to be.

    Some consider SwiftKey classified as a productivity application, I consider it an ease to communication on devices built for communication. Not a database or list maker, but a communication optimizer. Which means I'm able to make a smiley emoticon ☺ with the quick tap of 2 buttons. No space or delete or anything. And thats just better in my opinion.

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    If they wish to improve their product, I would say this is an easy fix. Especially since many other keyboard apps use similar logic code.

    Easy fix using someone else's product. ^

    While gesture typing wasn't the brainchild of Swype, they did not copy and paste the code. They coded it to their original application without the use of someone else's hard work.

    While open source means it's available to everyone it doesn't mean that it's coding will work or function within the confines of a completely different application.

    The use emoji use in these forums is hardly a good representation of how people use emoji and smileys. I speak different here then I do in text messages and use emoji much heavier in text and Facebook messaging.

    I'm not sure what your confused about.

    Nevertheless, we can discuss it until we're blue in the face, but as I've stated, based on conversations about this in the past, there is no intention to change this code. It fits within the parameters of what TouchType wants SwiftKey to be. It's not a bug and it is intentional.

    I can't find the previous conversation we had but @drifitinganomoly explained the reasoning behind it better than I can. Hopefully he can chime in here and explain it a bit better.

    Kind regards!

    Mike

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    Not all users care about or even use emoticons on a regular or semi-regular bases. Sorry, if you and the developers think this is this case.

    Fine, so you are saying the developers don't care about what their users would like to see in SwiftKey. That pretty much sums up why their product still isn't my go to keyboard app 😢

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    Indeed, however the developers of this application aren't interested in copying someone else's work, they mold it to their idea of the product they want to release. Not to say or voices don't matter because they do. I have just found that after the 4 conversations I've been a part of dealing with this topic there are no inclinations from anyone at SwiftKey whom show interest in changing this particular functionality.

    While I cannot speak for them, I will say that id history is anything to go by, it isn't going to change.

    If it ever does change, it will be because the developers at SwiftKey will have designed an original code for it. Cause that's just how they roll lol.

    Nevertheless thanks for the input, I always love discussions on these forums!

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    Yes, SwiftKey has incorporated ideas similar to other keyboards before and probably will again.  Competition between great products is a win for users of all of those products.   SwiftKey rarely makes comments ahead of time about changes that they are considering, because the impact of that change must be thoroughly examined and may not be possible.   Not making comments keeps them from being held to a concept that may not be possible and an endless amount of ETA questions.    ... Cause that's how they roll ...

    Easy fix using someone else's product. ^

    While gesture typing wasn't the brainchild of Swype, they did not copy and paste the code. They coded it to their original application without the use of someone else's hard work.

    While open source means it's available to everyone it doesn't mean that it's coding will work or function within the confines of a completely different application.

    The use emoji use in these forums is hardly a good representation of how people use emoji and smileys. I speak different here then I do in text messages and use emoji much heavier in text and Facebook messaging.

    I'm not sure what your confused about.

    Nevertheless, we can discuss it until we're blue in the face, but as I've stated, based on conversations about this in the past, there is no intention to change this code. It fits within the parameters of what TouchType wants SwiftKey to be. It's not a bug and it is intentional.

    I can't find the previous conversation we had but @drifitinganomoly explained the reasoning behind it better than I can. Hopefully he can chime in here and explain it a bit better.

    Kind regards!

    Mike

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    As you mentioned here, code from any application isn't automatically able to work in any other.  The developers would have absolutely no need to copy any code.   The problems come in with how it affects the rest of the application.

    I will try to explain the colon semicolon dilemma as well as I can.   First, I have always been a very avid proponent of semicolon and colon being used as they should be in grammar, not to write smileys.  I have maintained that these punctuation marks should "snap back"  (the term that has been widely used in this forum to discuss this behavior) like the comma or period (full stop) do and put the space after it.  The only official response that I have gotten for its current behavior is so that it is easier to make smileys.

    That being the lone reason frustrated me greatly, so I tried to look into it as thoroughly as possible.   What follows is based on my conjecture on the research that I did and tidbits of conversations with SwiftKey employees in threads; it is not official at all.

    The problem is a conflict with certain settings.  If the semicolon/colon snapped back automatically, you would have to:

    A. Tap the spacebar so that there are two spaces and it only snaps back one of them.

    1. This isn't possible if you have your spacebar setting on "always inserts a prediction".  With that setting, you can never intentionally insert a space besides the autospace.  (This is one reason that I find that whole mode of use worthless, but SwiftKey as a company is so fond of it, that it used to be the default setting.)

    2. Even if you have the spacebar set to one of the other two options, it still has the potential for conflict with the "quick period" option.

    3. The amount of effort required to correct the lack of snap back and no trailing space is two additional key presses.  (one to delete the space after the word and one to add the space after the punctuation.)

    4. To correct the snapped back behavior would require: backspacing the trailing space, using an arrow key or touch input to position the cursor in front of the punctuation and again to put it after.

    Like Mcarver2000 and others, I have suggested the basic logic flow of looking at the trailing character to determine behavior.  I do not know if it conflicts with something else, but am still hopeful that one day that some solution would be implemented.   I type an average of one smiley every month or two, so I wouldn't miss it.   An option in settings could be provided to where you chose which way you wanted it to work, but Tapper always claimed feature bloat,confusing settings, and slippery slope.   My very first comment on this forum contained a complaint about the behavior of the colon/semicolon.   It is still my biggest problem with this keyboard.  With that said, it is still the best keyboard available in my opinion, despite these frustrations.

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    I know that the developers are talented enough to incorporate an "easy" fix without copying someone else's code. The logic code for this implementation already exists in their code. The "." already uses it. The period operates the way I feel the colon and semi-colon should react. Using the same logic code should not impose any more of an impact than it already does for the full-stop . It will also not make it any different to enter emoticons.

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    Even in texting and emailing (not just message boards), I use colons and semicolons as they are meant to be used grammatically. I use the emoticons menu to insert emoticons. As much as I like SK, I've drifted to Google Keyboard.

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    This is quite the intense conversation.

    This thread basically sums of the difficulty with this situation. Some of you want a, others want b and the rest want c,d, etc.

    It's impossible to make the app perfect for all -- then the counter argument is, make it a setting. Then I counter with, the more settings you make in an app, the more confusing it becomes and can scare off the normal person.

    There is a reason for everything we do, I promise.

    We know this issue has been a struggle and we are in fact working on making this a better experience.

    There could simply be an 'easy fix' of some on/off button such as other apps did but who wants to take the easy way out?

    We do have very talented devs on our team.

    Again, as mentioned, people have different expectations of what they expect which makes this more difficult to implement. There is also technology involved in our app that makes the removal of auto-spacing a bit more difficult as certain actions are triggered behind the scenes with actions taken on the keyboard.

    If you are using the beta app, we did make a step in trying to make this easy by adding a feature if are typing something hit period then backspace, anything you type after should be auto-space free.

    This would help with URLs, emails with periods in them. This is not the end all solution but a step forward.

    This has been a great thread to read, loved the back and forth. =D

    We will continue to try and make SwiftKey a great typing experience.

    As others have said, SwiftKey is a different experience from other keyboard and might take a little getting used to how it works to really make it work for you. It can be done is not the end of the world.

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    Thanks, Ryan.

    I suppose I'm not a 'normal user', since it's the lack of features I want, rather than the presence of checkboxes, that drives me away from an app.

    I'm afraid that the tediousness of typing semicolons and colons has driven me away from Swiftkey in the last day or two. If swiping from their keys to the space bar, or some other gesture that isn't an epic Fitts' Law fail, entered them appropriately for punctuation, it might attract me back, despite the learning curve. But comments like 'why would you want to punctuate properly anyhow?' definitely will not.

    I understand that some users only use those characters to type emoticons, but it would be easy to point them to the efficiencies of Swiftkey's emoticon button. Ironically, one of the Swiftkey features I'll miss most is the inclusion of proper emoticon characters, since they avoid the need for strings of punctuation marks at all! (The modal nature of the enter/emoticon button is a source of frustration, however.) But I haven't sworn at Swype since switching back, and I've sworn at Swiftkey's 5-tap-including-one-long-press process for entering semicolons and colons often enough for that to outweigh its superior emoticons and cosmetic benefits.

    I realise you're facing a UX conundrum; I wish you inspiration.

    Cheers,

    MikZ.

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    Hey Mikz,

    That is a solid point. I'm not actually 100% sure why those two punctuations don't snap back. This was before my time but something I'll look into. I guess the use of proper punctuation should outweigh the feature of emoticons, since we also recently added full emoji support.

    I hope we can win you back at some point Mike. Don't forget about us in the meantime.

    best,

    Ryan

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    Hey Mikz,

    That is a solid point. I'm not actually 100% sure why those two punctuations don't snap back. This was before my time but something I'll look into. I guess the use of proper punctuation should outweigh the feature of emoticons, since we also recently added full emoji support.

    I hope we can win you back at some point Mike. Don't forget about us in the meantime.

    best,

    Ryan

    The only official response that I got from both Tapper and Charlie was: to make smilies easier to write.

    If you have some spare time search the archives for my general punctuation discussion thread.

    I strongly agree that proper punctuation should outweigh the feature of emoticons.

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    Given that I've been using the emoji drawer much more than manually drawing emoticons lately, I can stand behind this change.

    Again, I do not use the colon or semicolon enough to be bothered by this, the majority of my writing that requires that use of punctuation is done on my computer. However has has been stated multiple times its redundant with the emoji drawer and alienates people who make use of : & ; on a mobile device.

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    Thanks for bringing that to light drifting. I have reached out for some answers myself regardless and mentioned now that we do support a wider range of emojis, that perhaps this feature should be reevaluated.

    We could have also made this feature so due to how we see people use the colon and semicolon. i.e from our data, we notice that people tend to use them more for smileys then for actual punctuation. (this is just a wild personal assumption).

    When I hear back on this, I will post here and keep everyone in the loop with what I know.

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    I'm glad you're reconsidering this stance, because I must say, I've been missing Swiftkey's word prediction—it's much better than Swype's.

    Also, I urge caution with observations about semicolon use. Part of the reason you're not seeing them much is probably that a lot of people don't know when to use them. There's a glaring example right on this web page; I don't mean to be a smart-arse, but the second comma in the following sentence should, in fact, be a semicolon:

    Again, I do not use the colon or semicolon enough to be bothered by this, the majority of my writing that requires that use of punctuation is done on my computer.

    Punctuation may be a lost cause in SMSes (it was even described as 'distasteful' in another thread), but I consider it a must for professional email, which I write quite a lot of on my phone. I may be outnumbered by tweeters and verb-nouning copy editors, but as I keep saying, colon-to-space and semicolon-to-space gestures shouldn't hinder ASCII artists anyhow. All your users would win, and therefore you would, too.

    Cheers,

    MikZ.

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    I'm glad you're reconsidering this stance, because I must say, I've been missing Swiftkey's word prediction—it's much better than Swype's.

    Also, I urge caution with observations about semicolon use. Part of the reason you're not seeing them much is probably that a lot of people don't know when to use them. There's a glaring example right on this web page; I don't mean to be a smart-arse, but the second comma in the following sentence should, in fact, be a semicolon:

    Punctuation may be a lost cause in SMSes (it was even described as 'distasteful' in another thread), but I consider it a must for professional email, which I write quite a lot of on my phone. I may be outnumbered by tweeters and verb-nouning copy editors, but as I keep saying, colon-to-space and semicolon-to-space gestures shouldn't hinder ASCII artists anyhow. All your users would win, and therefore you would, too.

    Cheers,

    MikZ.

    I'm curious as to what thread you're referring to when you say that proper punctuation and grammar was described as distasteful.

    Since you chose to single out a quotation from me, I would like to explain my lack of use of the semi-colon. In my experience, the semi-colon is a formality used on English papers -- separating common thoughts through different language -- and are not dependent in speech.

    There are very few times writing outside of the collegiate level that I have found a semi-colon necessary; or required to complete thoughts and the structural integrity of sentences.

    If I had chose to use the standard of MLA writing on every single thing that I choose to type or say the majority of interpersonal relationships I have would be much more awkward.

    That all being said, my mobile devices are simply ways to make communication more convenient and less formal. I will quickly reply to emails dealing with work in that informal manner. Simply because it is more convenient then exacerbating the full potential of my vocabulary and grammar usage to quickly reply to something on the move.

    All of that being said, proper grammar and language use is important to me, just not at the expense of convenience. I expect my keyboard on my phone to react to certain phrases and diatribe just as I expect Microsoft Word to react to the same sentence in a completely different manner.

    In my opinion the language use on a mobile device cannot be held to the same standards as communication via computers or a professional work environment.

    Nevertheless that is the beautiful thing behind why this application is so successful, it can appeal to format junkies and the twitter universe in the same application. The difficulty behind that is getting such a vast array of opinions pleased by the same piece of software.

    Looking at both sides of this particular issue and as stated before, with the emoji drawer the autospacing is a redundancy. However I have to disagree that it is a necessary part of written speech. Unless making a list the colon is replaced with double dashes, unless redefining previous ideas the semicolon is unneeded. Speech and written word is becoming less and less formal by the day and eventually the use of the symbols will be on research papers alone.

    I have, however, throughly enjoyed seeing your point of view and opinions MikZ, and truly look forward to seeing more feedback from you as its an absolute pleasure to read and discuss.

    Hopefully Prad will be able to give us all insight to his inquiries about this behavior.

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    This is such a gnarly debate. I appreciate everyones honest feedback and keeping opinions strong and respectful.

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    The semi-colon shouldn't be relegated to "professional" or "college" writing. It's a part of the written language and thus serves a useful purpose in everyday writing. If one doesn't care to use it, that's fine with me. But, if one opts to use it as proper punctuation, they shouldn't be hampered by their tools. Just as the same tool shouldn't hamper its use in ascii art. Perhaps the day will come when periods & commas will be thought to only be needed in professional & college papers; not to be snarky, just sarcastic. They serve functions just like the semi-colon in the written language.

    For the sake of our grammar discussion on the merits/use of the semi-colon -- How to Use Semicolons .

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    While we're at it, can we get rid of the redundant comma button in the punctuation slider? It actively interferes with swiping an exclamation mark.

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    Mesmorino, you do know that your finger does not have to stay on the punctuation slider in order to select a character?

    You simply slide as far to the left or the right as needed after the box pops up in order to select characters. Just slide your finger a bit more and the comma won't get in your way. I personally like having both, and I actively use both commas depending on which thumb gets there first.

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    Since you chose to single out a quotation from me, I would like to explain my lack of use of the semi-colon. In my experience, the semi-colon is a formality used on English papers -- separating common thoughts through different language -- and are not dependent in speech.

    There are very few times writing outside of the collegiate level that I have found a semi-colon necessary; or required to complete thoughts and the structural integrity of sentences.

    Was the semicolon there intentional?  I'm no English major, but I'm pretty sure it's not even used properly there.  The double hyphen is also less favored when the em dash (—) is available, although I see you're posting from a mobile; however, it should be noted that even the double hyphen isn't possible on SwiftKey due to its autoinsertion of spaces ( - - ).

    Looking at both sides of this particular issue and as stated before, with the emoji drawer the autospacing is a redundancy. However I have to disagree that it is a necessary part of written speech. Unless making a list the colon is replaced with double dashes, unless redefining previous ideas the semicolon is unneeded. Speech and written word is becoming less and less formal by the day and eventually the use of the symbols will be on research papers alone.

    With what credentials do you eliminate an established punctuation mark from being "a necessary part of written speech", especially after having shown that you're not quite a competent user of it?  Also, written speech is not the sole purpose of text.  If "redefining previous ideas" is the entirety of the extent to which you use semicolons or believe they can be used, then it's no wonder you find them expendable.  Here're some examples of usage to broaden your repertoire — I personally use semicolons semi-frequently to clarify lists containing punctuation, especially commas; to compare/contrast related ideas (e.g. "SJS and TEN are variants of a continuum: in SJS, <10% of the BSA is involved; in TEN, >30%."); or to join related clauses where a period, comma, or dash would not communicate the appropriate sentiment.

    Another great example: your sentence, "Unless making a list the colon is replaced with double dashes, unless redefining previous ideas the semicolon is unneeded," would be much more effectively written as, "Unless making a list, the colon is replaced with double dashes; unless redefining previous ideas, the semicolon is unneeded".  Ironic, isn't it?

    Likewise, a hyphen or double hyphen and colon are not interchangeable.  Also, colons are quite useful when dealing with multiple demarcations ("The Beatles - Revolver: a true Beatles fan's favorite album.")

    Some parts of English are a matter of opinion; others, such as whether a commonly-used punctuation mark is necessary (especially to other, perhaps more fluent, people), are not.

    I'm sure an English scholar will come by to proof my post.

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    Okay, sorry for the delayed response. I've had a rather ignorant work schedule lately and it doesn't seem to be lightening up at all right now.

    Back on track.

    I don't need credibility for my opinion, it is purely that an opinion.

    This much debate and debacle over spacing on a punctuation mark (very rarely used one at that) is kind of bordering on the side of incredulous.

    I'm throughly done with this argument, simply because I won't have my intelligence insulted or otherwise chastised for an opinion I have.

    The background that I come from in English usage and proper grammar is absolutely astonishing. There are four people in my family who are published authors. My step-mom taught me MLA standardization at the age of 11, I've graduated with an Associates degree, majored in English, and am currently working toward my BA and again English is my major.

    My grades in higher education stand behind my usage of the English language. How you corrected the sentence made it run on, not to mention that you separated the commonality between the two topics. Thusly completely killing the purpose of the semi-colon.

    Now we could sit here and argue over who is the better spoken forever, because ultimately it comes down to opinion.

    Speaking in terms of this application (you know the point of this thread) the semicolon usage seems passionate in these forums but I can assure you one thing:

    Outside of here there are a handful (out of the millions that use this app) who are bothered by this.

    Why you may ask?

    Because mobile phones are informal, quick tools of communication.

    We're talking about a keyboard that is dynamic enough to appeal to the Twitter generation (largest group) and professionals in a work environment (not nearly as large, still prevalent).

    If you're using your device for more than its designed for you're going to have issues. As stated above I expect this application to correct things differently than Microsoft Word corrects things. My style of speech is different from my writing and thus I don't expect MLA standards when receiving a text message or reading and responding to a 140 character limit tweet.

    You have to think and understand about the limitations of our devices and quit expecting absolute perfection and grammar standards. Just like with every application that doesn't give me the functionality standard I'm looking for there are work around protocols that the USER should take upon themselves to enact.

    All of that being said, no matter how you think the English language should be used this application focuses more on slang and pop culture phrases then it does on proper English formatting and grammar usage. Which I prefer, as I like a keyboard that can't make an appearance of professionalism if the user on the other end isn't professional.

    I think the entitled nature of our society truly makes users feel as though their issues are the most important, and as it stands spacing protocol for a semi colon or colon or dash of any symbol is really not important to ME.

    But again, people lose site of others opinions in their own passionate need for change. Nothing is wrong with that, it just shows the selfishness of our society.

    Hope that clears up the fact that I'm not trying to sound like gospel, I simply have a differing opinion. And notice how I did that without insulting someone's intelligence? Interesting....

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    First time poster, user of swiftkey since beginning of Jan '15.

    I'm glad this thread exists because I am an avid user of the semicolon and the lack of an auto-space after it has been driving me ABSOLUTELY NUTS.

    If this is really a huge concern in terms of pissing off some users because they can't easily make emoticons (obviously a large portion of SMS'es) or continuing to piss off users who want to easily text with proper grammar and punctuation (my texts often read like novels), then why not make it a toggle option in the settings?

    Want to make emoticons the old fashioned way like a champ? Don't auto-space after semicolons. Or would you like to sustain the dying art of proper grammar and punctuation to make your grandparents proud? Auto-space that bad boy.

    If you don't want it cluttering up the main settings area, bury that s**t deep in the settings menu, where only those who truly care will find it after searching for it's location online.

    And while I'm at it, what's the deal with the "ellipsis" auto-spacing and auto-capitalizing afterward ? I'm not finished my sentence yet! Don't make me start a new thought whilst obviously in the middle of another! Just so we're clear, I want to put three periods in a row with NOTHING auto-happening. And I use a TON of ellipses, more than I probably should.

    Thanks! Otherwise I'm pretty damn happy with Swiftkey, so keep up the awesome work but PLEASE take note of my suggestions, eh?

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